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Dumas Zero (As a trainer)

Started by Konrad, May 07, 2026, 01:05 AM

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Konrad

This Zero is being used to reintroduce my brother to the dynamic art of flying models. He is an accomplished modeler building exquisite static scale models. He often adds details that only god can see.

Here we choose the Dumas Zero because it is laser cut, low wing, short nosed and has a tapered wing. Other than the laser cutting all these add up to a difficult model to fly.  It will force me to use all the tricks I know to get this project to fly. I feel this will make a great model to expose a person to flying models assuming they have supervision. To be sure it would make a horrible model to teach oneself!

First was to sand off the laser char. I think this char often detracts from any light finish. (This was to be a green camouflage finish. More on that later).

The next trick that never seems to be mentioned in the manuals is to pre-twist the wing saddles. This is in my opinion critical particularly with designs with such radical changes  in the fuselage to wing junction.  We heated the saddles in a microwave oven for about 15seconds after wetting the saddles with water. While the saddles were still hot twisted the saddles to the shape we expected they would need to be. 

While the saddles cooled we thinned the keels and the ID of the formers aft of the CG to be about 1/2 to a 1/3 the as cut size. We built the fuselage per the plans with the keels only using Titebond glue. We forced dried this in the microwave to drive off the moisture. With the formers in place and supported on the keels we placed the pre-shaped saddles on the formers. Using tape (not pins) we again forced dried the glue in the microwave

With the weight credits from thinning  of the keels and formers we  added some filler to support the rear mounting of the canopy.

As the Zero is a very short nosed aircraft and the Dumas Zero has an enlarged stabilizer we added nose weight in the way of balsa filler.

This is only the second or third model I've covered in Esaki tissue. Wow, what a game changer! It is much like what covering with wet silkspan is to covering in dry domestic tissue. It really is nice to use the properties of the material to the fullest.  With wet Esaki we were able to cover the bottom of this compound curved fuselage from center keel to side keel in one piece.
Cut it twice and it was still too short!

Konrad

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Some of you might have noticed that I'm doing this old school with nitrate dope. I didn't want to add to the learning curve my ignorance on covering with the "New" water based adhesives and sealants such as those from Deluxe Material.

I'm really impressed with the quality of the covering job my brother did. While I did about 60% of the covering on this model (demonstrating the tecniques) he did the same process on the other half of the model. I can say that I can't tell which piece he applied verses the pieces I applied.

What I'm dealing with is the browning of the nitrate dope. You might see this as dope stains. In the past I rarely had this issue, if ever. What is posted is the condition of the covering right after the Esaki has dried. I'm hoping that this staining will blend with the application of the classic 50/50 thinner and dope sealant. Do you guys use more than one coat of 50/50 on Esaki? I recall using 2 or more coats on domestic tissue. (Another weight saving from using Esaki tissue).

So here is the story for the "yellow Zero". like I said my brother builds exquisite scale models. Building this stand way off flying scale model was a bit troublesome to his esthetic eye. He then realized that Aurora models in the 60's came out with a Yellow Zero. I think that as a teenager he build one and left it yellow. So this is drawing back on his experience as a youth on that plastic model build so many decades ago.

What I want to ask is how do you guys apply tissue markings to models? How is the chalking process done? Are the marking applied dry or wet? Are they applied now or after the tissue is sealed? I think I'll ask these question in the technique section of the forum.
Cut it twice and it was still too short!

TheLurker

Quote from: KonradWhat I want to ask is how do you guys apply tissue markings to models?
That's a question that will get you n2 answers where n is the number of modellers you ask :)

My preferred technique is...

After covering & doping

EzeDoped models.  Paint the surface with thinned glue stick (I use a nylon 4O brush) following the centre of the item's shape but not out to the borders of the item. Stick it in place then paint a little more thinned glue stick under the edges to seal them.

Cellulose doped models.  Tack the item (letter/number) with down with either dots of thinned glue stick or a few dots of thinners. Then flood/paint the item with more thinners.  When the thinners has gone off a very thin coat of very dilute (20% or less by volume) non-shrinking dope to seal it.

I've not used nitrate dope for umm, errr, well a very long time.  I'd hope it would behave as cellulose dope, but I don't know.  May be worth making up a test panel and trying it out.

Chalking.  Mike Kelly is your man for that I think. 

Novel choice of scheme. I heartily approve.

How did you twist the wing saddles? Did you bend them to follow the curve of the fuselage or warp them to induce washout/in? 
Ένας χωρίς μια ιδέα ή, αν προτιμάτε, clueless  :)

Jmk89

Quote from: Konrad on May 07, 2026, 05:10 AMHow is the chalking process done?


Here are links to two items from the NFFS website :
Pastel Chalk

Pan Pastels
All the best
Jeremy

Better drowned than duffers, if not duffers won't drown

Konrad

Quote from: TheLurker on May 07, 2026, 10:24 AM
Quote from: KonradWhat I want to ask is how do you guys apply tissue markings to models?
That's a question that will get you n2 answers where n is the number of modellers you ask :)

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How did you twist the wing saddles? Did you bend them to follow the curve of the fuselage or warp them to induce washout/in?
So true about the ways to skin a cat ( my apologies to the cat).

I did it the manly way! I just held the hot saddles between my fingers. I still have calluses from when I was a working man. But I like the idea of slowly wrapping them around a broomstick.
Cut it twice and it was still too short!

Konrad

I know this was a typo. But the warping of the saddles was done only to aid in the construction of the fuselage. There was no intended aerodynamic improvement (trimming aid, wash-out/wash-in).
Cut it twice and it was still too short!